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<R.t..>^>Fusionc
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This may not be Fermi, but it does have 300 in it xD:
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/17849
This comment made me lol:
"My 8800GT has changed clothes more than any card in this world... "
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 True!!
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Sauron_Daz
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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If renaming existing products yet again, how many people are going to fall for that?
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<R.t..>^>Fusionc
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More info on a possible release on Fermi:
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/17860
Ballpark of December.
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<R.t..>^>Fusionc
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Working samples in January for CES.
Good luck with that.
And from fudzilla, there was an article pointing to a Chinese website claiming the the images were rendered with Fermi. Although, that can't be confirmed.
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16211/65/
Direct link:
http://bbs.pczilla.net/thread-5002-1-1.html
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Great!! Now we can see the sweat, oil, pimples, pores, rashes, nose goblins and other nasties on people's skin in upcoming video games!! 
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Sauron_Daz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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Lol..I think.
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clone
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actually it looks like Fermi won't be out until Febuary in any quantity if at all if the news on Xbit's front page is to be believed.
their is a considerably amount of talk about fermi and no product....... I expected this.
I still don't believe it will be out before Xmas.
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o'h3nry
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If Fermi is really going to be as powerful as they say, I hope for ATI's sake it's truly delayed `til February.
Sounds like Nvidia decided to be 5 months late to the game in order to provide a superior product halfway through ATI's development cycle... Might as well say "When our GT600 comes out in 2 years it'll blow the 5xxx series out of the water!!" Duh... why don't you suck it up, release a competing product during the same quarter as your competitor, and compete on the same level.
Reminds me of Microsoft's Project Natal... showcasing a pre-beta concept that will be out in 1-2 years that will be deemed superior the the PS3 eye- which would have been out for 3-4 years by then...
IMO Nvidia & ATI need to get on the same release schedule... it's just more fun that way.
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Sauron_Daz
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Me neither.
AMD/ATI: ramp up production fast!
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| If Fermi is really going to be as powerful as they say, I hope for ATI's sake it's truly delayed `til February. |
And for our sake I would much rather prefer that Nvidia does manage to come out soon and it delivers more than what we have come to know. This would not only shake the GPU grounds but also the entire computing grounds. I want it to be super successful just the way NForce chipsets did in their time.
I am getting tired of 2 players CPU market in which it is either one limping on one hand (AMD) and the other is crawling (Intel) just not to make the limper look so bad. This annoys me so much - Intel keeps delaying their products, charges more and arrogantly laughs at the consumers while wiping its stepped in shit feet (anti-competitive) on AMD. Similarly in the GPU market - ATI and Nvidia. And with the on-die GPU, the GPU market innovation will be looking even more dull too.
Name one major innovation from any of the 3 (4 - ATI) companies involved in the whole past year? One - Nvidia with Fermi specifically only. The rest have just re-badged or tweaked their existing products.
Just few days ago I was thinking to myself that these companies are lowering the performance and flogging them as superior products to consumers - point in note - Arrandale. It will have a slower GPU than the existing 4500HD but Intel will feed the consumers that it is superior. Nvidia's recent re-badging stunts, ATI's recent price increase, AMD's similar performance since last year or plus with new sockets. Mind you when I say similar performance I am not ignoring the performance boost we have seen with the clock speed increase but pointing at the fact that we have not evolved in the fashion we did in the K7 to K8 days. They are pretty much competing with their old products. This is no longer innovation and whatever innovation that was there is no crawling.
So for the sake of all the consumers, I want Nvidia to succeed just the way AMD did with K8 or Nvidia did with NForce2 or Intel did with C2D or ATI did with 4xxx series. |
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clone
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| Sounds like Nvidia decided to be 5 months late to the game in order to provide a superior product halfway through ATI's development cycle. |
I don't believe this at all.
Nvidia was quite a ways behind long before Fermi, ATI had dx10.1 support, it's still not clear whether Fermi has or won't have DX11 support..... Fermi will have everything else it seems but potentially not DX11 unless they can get their first tessalation engine working.
Nvidia may have decided to go the extra mile and "tolerate" a delay but without a doubt Nvidia did not want to miss the Christmas buying season at all.
so many ppl seem to embrace that companies can afford to or deliberately decide to miss the singularily most important quarter to their bottom line that only happens once a year..... I heard some moron claim that Blizzard was delaying StarCraft2 until next summer because they wanted to build hype....... idiot.... lol after 10 years yeah Blizzard needs to miss Christmas to build even more hype with regards to the most popular video game in PC history.
Nvidia lost the last graphics battle by a considerable margin on all fronts.... in truth they got their asses handed to them badly, they didn't have tech, they didn't have the margins, they didn't maintain marketshare for a complete product cycle including it's refresh so Nvidia did what it did the last time this happened.
they threw in everything and the kitchen sink, if Nvidia misses the Christmas buying season which it is abundantly clear they will it will not have been deliberate for the sake of quality.
without a doubt Nvidia wanted to get product out by Christmas and they are scrambling as hard as they can to get it out asap.
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hype and reality have nothing in common, Fermi may be better but the promises of today are a desperate attempt to steal away sales and thunder from the current winner.
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Shades
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| it's still not clear whether Fermi has or won't have DX11 support..... |
Well, everyone assumes that it will have since it wouldn't make much market sense otherwise (hence there is no need to emphasise it), but anyway we have things like this:
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Just got this in from Nvidia:
Windows 7 marks a dramatic improvement in the way the Windows operating system takes advantage of the GPU, using it for both graphics and computing through the GPU-accelerated Microsoft DirectCompute API. This enables not only more visual and interactive experiences but also the speed and responsiveness that customers want. We have worked closely with Microsoft on Windows 7 for several years now and we are confident that our mutual customers will be very pleased with the results.
We consider DirectCompute a tremendous opportunity to broaden the reach of GPU Computing. We believe DirectCompute will take GPU computing from a niche to the mainstream by making this technology available to the millions of users of the Windows 7 operating system.
NVIDIA is also very excited about DirectX 11. It will be the API of choice for some of the top gaming titles starting in 2010. NVIDIA’s recently announced DirectX 11 Fermi architecture will be well aligned with these new gaming titles. But, Power Gaming with Windows 7 extends beyond new visual effects. Today’s gamers demand more interactive experiences and the technologies that make up Power Gaming are set to deliver a new level of immersion that will transform the gaming industry for years to come, such as NVIDIA 3D Vision, NVIDIA PhysX, and NVIDIA SLI.
So it looks like Nvidia will be supporting DirectX 11 and all the what it will and won't support guesswork can cease. If the email I got 10/21/09 is accurate, and it's directly from Nvidia, then the New 3xx cards will support DirectX 11. |
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| Fermi will have everything else it seems but potentially not DX11 unless they can get their first tessalation engine working. |
As I believe I said earlier in the thread, one needs to distinguish the DX11 spec from the implementation of the spec. If one could get the desired performance from a software implementation, that would naturally be the more flexible approach. As it is, we just don't know what approach nVidia has taken. What we can say is that the need for fixed-function hardware is determined purely from a performance perspective (which doesn't have to be raw performance, but can also be performance per W and so on).
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| Nvidia may have decided to go the extra mile and "tolerate" a delay but without a doubt Nvidia did not want to miss the Christmas buying season at all. |
I don't think it really matters what nVidia intended. We'll see it when we see it.
I'll just add that, from a consumer perspective, it's often a bad idea to purchase stuff in the run up to Christmas, since new tech is often released early in the New Year, but try telling that to the kids. 
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| Just few days ago I was thinking to myself that these companies are lowering the performance and flogging them as superior products to consumers - point in note - Arrandale. It will have a slower GPU than the existing 4500HD but Intel will feed the consumers that it is superior. |
You believe that the IGP in Arrandale will have lower performance than (GMA) 4500MHD? From all the information that we now have (at least that I am aware of), every indication is that performance will be better. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| Shades wrote: |
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| Just few days ago I was thinking to myself that these companies are lowering the performance and flogging them as superior products to consumers - point in note - Arrandale. It will have a slower GPU than the existing 4500HD but Intel will feed the consumers that it is superior. |
You believe that the IGP in Arrandale will have lower performance than (GMA) 4500MHD? From all the information that we now have (at least that I am aware of), every indication is that performance will be better. |
I think I might have got it wrong - the graphics chip on PineTrail (next gen Atom) is based on 3100 and which should be slower than 4500. Arrandale, I forget the real/rumored specs.
Nonetheless - I still standby the fact that we haven't had any innovation in the past 2-3 years from any of these companies - all they have done is small tweaks. If Fermi delivers to what Nvidia claims then definitely things are set to get very interesting in both GPU and CPU world. |
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| I don't think it really matters what nVidia intended. We'll see it when we see it. |
Shades re-examine the quote I was responding too.
it was a debate regarding whether or not Nvidia "planned" the delay or not...... so yes what Nvidia intended absolutely matters in the context of the discussion.
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| Shades wrote: |
| I don't think it really matters what nVidia intended. We'll see it when we see it. |
Shades re-examine the quote I was responding too.
it was a debate regarding whether or not Nvidia "planned" the delay or not...... so yes what Nvidia intended absolutely matters in the context of the discussion.
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| If one could get the desired performance from a software implementation, that would naturally be the more flexible approach. |
when software surpasses a dedicated hardware solution this will apply, I don't believe we are there yet and if Nvidia has to go software it will be a horrid decision costing them latency penalty's in spades, a performance hit similiar to ATI's 3870 FSAA debacle & a PR disaster they'll be stuck explaining for the next 18 months after it's release.
it's Nvidia's decision in the end but what a horrid compromise and admission that they couldn't get it to work if that is the route they go.
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Shades
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| clone wrote: |
| Shades wrote: |
| I don't think it really matters what nVidia intended. We'll see it when we see it. |
Shades re-examine the quote I was responding too.
it was a debate regarding whether or not Nvidia "planned" the delay or not...... so yes what Nvidia intended absolutely matters in the context of the discussion. |
Sure, I could just as easily have quoted o'h3, to make that same point that I don't think it matters. I just had your post already quoted, since I wanted to reply to a number of points.
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| Shades wrote: |
| If one could get the desired performance from a software implementation, that would naturally be the more flexible approach. |
when software surpasses a dedicated hardware solution this will apply, I don't believe we are there yet and if Nvidia has to go software it will be a horrid decision costing them latency penalty's in spades, a performance hit similiar to ATI's 3870 FSAA debacle & a PR disaster they'll be stuck explaining for the next 18 months after it's release.
it's Nvidia's decision in the end but what a horrid compromise and admission that they couldn't get it to work if that is the route they go. |
Actually, you have no idea. Neither do I, so let's wait and see. The main point is that just because the spec has an abstract tessalator, it doesn't mean that the implementation has to have a fixed-function tessalator unit. We don't know yet what nVidia has done. Certainly, nVidia hasn't stated that it doesn't have a fixed-function tessaltor unit. We know that one of the stated design goals of, say, Larrabee was to have as little fixed-function hardware as possible. We also know that the idea that a graphics card is a fixed-function accelerator of a rigid graphics pipeline is old-fashioned (long before DX11). If you are familiar with software design then you will know that one is often not thinking in terms of operations at the processor level, but going down through the levels of abstraction, that is what it becomes. The wonderful thing about general purpose hardware is that one can build all kinds of levels of abstraction on top of it. Still, eg. a specialised hardware video decoder is going to have better performance per W than Ci7 at that specialised task. |
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| Sure, I could just as easily have quoted o'h3, to make that same point that I don't think it matters. |
you should not have responded to O'h3 and my discussion.
in the future if you aren't interested then remain quiet, do you work for Nvidia because imposing direction comes across as notably "shill'esque" and you've been running with an Nvidia position for quite a while now.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:39 am Post subject: |
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All this talk about "Fermi" , here is the real Fermi:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_Fermi
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| Enrico Fermi (29 September 1901 – 28 November 1954) was an Italian physicist most noted for his work on the development of the first nuclear reactor, and for his contributions to the development of quantum theory, nuclear and particle physics, and statistical mechanics. Fermi was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1938 for his work on induced radioactivity and is today regarded as one of the top scientists of the 20th century. He is acknowledged as a unique physicist who was highly accomplished in both theory and experiment.[1] Fermium, a synthetic element created in 1952, the Fermi National Accelerator Lab, and a type of particles called fermions are named after him. |
Quite a dude! Any product named after him has a LOT to live up to!!  
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In that case NVidia had better named their chip good..
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